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Dr. Michael J. Breus on How to Energize By Understanding Chronotypes, Sleep, Fasting, and Movement



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Katie: Howdy and welcome to the Wellness Mama podcast. I’m Katie from and That’s “wellness” with an “E” on the top. And this podcast is all about enhance your power and energize your life by understanding chronotypes, physique varieties, sleep, fasting, motion, and a whole lot of different features. I’m right here with sleep physician Michael Breus who’s double-board licensed, a scientific psychologist, and a scientific sleep specialist. He additionally, as we discuss on this episode, is without doubt one of the few individuals on the planet to go medical boards with out going to medical faculty. And he’s an skilled useful resource for many main publications. He’s finished a whole bunch of interviews every year and he’s been in non-public follow for 23 years now. He’s additionally been named the highest sleep physician in most areas.


He’s a wealth of data. He’s been on my podcast earlier than to speak particularly about sleep, and on this one, we discuss extra about power, what the totally different power varieties are, what the power scale is, methods to extend your power, how totally different physique varieties have totally different expressions of their power and enhance them, the best way that motion impacts power and the way it’s totally different at totally different instances of day, totally different physique varieties, how and when to quick, issues like caffeine, melatonin, and his high suggestions for a lot of features of life. It’s at all times an interesting episode with Dr. Bruce. I do know you’ll get pleasure from this one, so let’s bounce in. Dr. Breus, welcome. Thanks for being right here.


Dr. Michael: Thanks for having me. I’m excited to be again on “Wellness Mama.”


Katie: Properly, I really like chatting with you. I’m excited for this dialog too, and I’ve a whole lot of sleep and power and health-related questions that we’re gonna go into. However first I simply must deliver up this one matter you and I had been simply speaking about offline, which is that you’re certainly one of only a few individuals on the planet to go the medical specialty boards with out going to particular medical faculty for these. So in the event you might simply give us a short recap of how that occurred and what you probably did as a result of it’s superb.


Dr. Michael: So it was type of a comic story. So it was my very first job and my boss mentioned to me, “Hey, Michael, you recognize, we’ve found out your wage. We figured every little thing else out, nevertheless it’s a one-year contract. And on the finish of that one 12 months, it’s a must to take and go the medical boards in sleep drugs.” And I raised my hand and I mentioned, “Dr. DeMarini,” I mentioned, “I’m excited to start out this new job, however I’m a Ph.D., not an M.D. These are medical boards.” And he mentioned, “There’s a three-year window and we’re within the final 12 months of the window. So you’re taking them, in the event you go them, you get a job for the subsequent 12 months. Should you don’t, you’re fired.” So I used to be like, “Okay.” So I went dwelling and I advised my girlfriend who’s now my spouse.


I used to be like, “You’re not gonna consider this. I acquired the job. I’m so excited, blah, blah, blah.” And I mentioned, “However I’ve to take and go the medical boards.” And she or he was like, “Michael, you recognize you’re not a physician, proper?” And I used to be like, “No downside. No person’s ever gonna try this. I doubt anyone might ever do it.” A few week later, she turned to me and she or he was like, “Are you gonna do it?” I used to be like, “Do what?” She’s like, “Are you gonna take the medical boards?” I mentioned, “I don’t know. I by no means actually thought of it.” She’s like, “I believe you possibly can go.” That was all it took, was her giving me the problem and the boldness to say, “Hey, I believe you are able to do it.” And I’m certainly one of 168 individuals on the planet which have ever taken and handed the sleep specialty boards with out going to medical faculty.


Katie: That’s so superb. I really like that. Like I mentioned earlier than we began recording, it’s on my bucket record too. Though I may need to really go to medical faculty to have the ability to qualify, however it’s on my record. And also you clearly have a specialty in lots of areas. You’re referred to as The Sleep Physician and also you achieve this a lot specialty in sleep, which we’ve talked about earlier than. I’ll be sure that our first podcast is linked, for you guys listening, within the present notes. It was superior. Dr. Breus is a wealth of data, however you’ve a brand new guide popping out that I actually wanna go deep on as a result of I believe it is a synchronicity clearly with sleep, which you’re gonna clarify very well, but additionally that is an space that it looks like virtually all people has struggles with proper now, particularly, and particularly this time of 12 months, particularly this previous two years, and that’s the matter of power. And I believe even inside that, even broad phrases are sometimes misunderstood. So although it appears fundamental, let’s begin with, typically, like what’s power on a organic stage and in perhaps an even bigger stage, if there are extra relevant definitions ask.


Dr. Michael: Yeah. So nice query. So, you recognize, with sleep, it’s fairly straightforward to outline. We’ve got sleep levels, we have now sleep cycles. We are able to measure EEG, issues of that nature, however measuring power is just not at all times the best factor on the planet to do. There are a whole lot of totally different workout routines that you would be able to measure your metabolic output. That’s one strategy to measure power. However what I made a decision to do was suppose by the several types of power. So we have now consuming power. In order that’s gasoline, proper? We’ve got transferring power as a result of a physique at relaxation tends to remain at relaxation whereas a physique in movement tends to remain in movement. So we just like the movement a part of that. We’ve got emotional power, proper? We are able to discuss so much about that, about how totally different conditions from an emotional standpoint could make us really feel energized or fairly frankly, zap our power.


And we have now resting power, which is a little bit bit totally different than sleeping power. I needed to make a distinction between these two as a result of there’s now knowledge to counsel that non-sleep deep relaxation, so simply mendacity there in a darkish room can really be rejuvenative and make it easier to get extra power. And so what I made a decision to do was take these 4 kinds of power and actually check out how they work from a biology standpoint, but additionally from an emotional standpoint, and have the ability to give individuals higher concepts as to , primary, see how energetically constant you’re all through your day, primary, however quantity two, in the event you do have these highs and people lows, how do you type of take the lows and convey them as much as the highs?


Katie: Yeah. I believe that’s an ideal diving in level as a result of I believe for most individuals, power is only a basic time period of like, “Oh, I don’t have very a lot power as we speak. My power’s low, or I really feel very energetic,” nevertheless it’s…


Dr. Michael: Properly, and I used to be additionally gonna say that one factor is that individuals generally tend to note their power when it’s low, not when it’s excessive, proper? And so within the very first chapter of the guide, we have now individuals study what an power scale is. And so we use Gunnar Borg’s Scores of Perceived Exertion scale. So it is a scale that’s been utilized in train physiology for so long as I can bear in mind, 30-plus years. And it’s a 0 to 10 scale the place you consider your self energetically, like how a lot power is it gonna take for me to exert to do that explicit exercise, 0 to 10? And we have now individuals have a look at that power at 5 separate instances all through the day. To be clear, it takes one minute. You simply put some alarms in your telephone and type of mid-morning, earlier than lunch, after lunch, earlier than dinner, after which earlier than mattress, we have now you’re taking these rankings simply to type of get an thought of the place are your power highs and the place are your power lows as a result of most individuals actually don’t give it some thought.


Katie: That’s a fantastic level. I in all probability solely discover once I’m low power and I believe usually individuals additionally consider power as identical to emotional power perhaps. So I’d love to listen to a little bit bit in regards to the distinctions and the way you consider emotional versus bodily power and/or every other varieties and the way we’d have a look at these otherwise.


Dr. Michael: So emotional power is certainly one of my favourite matters. So I’m gonna begin with that after which I’ll break down the opposite ones if that’s okay. So if you have a look at emotional power, I believe it’s so fascinating as a result of an emotion could cause you to really feel nice pleasure, it might probably trigger you to really feel nice unhappiness, nice anger, or nice something, proper? And so once we begin to consider these issues, how can we establish instances the place we have now low power from emotion? And so I name this the emotional vampire scenario, proper? And so… And you recognize who these individuals are, proper? You’ve acquired them in your life. I’ve acquired them in my life. Hopefully, we’re not married to them. However these are those who actually suck our power from our system. In order that they’re both at all times unfavorable, they’re pessimistic a whole lot of the instances. Possibly they’ve a whole lot of difficulties themselves they usually’re attempting to hunt one thing out when it comes to their very own well being, however on the finish of the day, they generally tend to tug power from you or not have the ability to permit you to categorical good, optimistic power.


And there’s plenty of issues that you are able to do. Primary, you bought to establish who these individuals are. Quantity two, don’t spend an excessive amount of time with them. Holy cow. I imply, these individuals are gonna suck you dry. So restrict the period of time that you just spend with them, primary, however quantity two, attempt to spend time with them at your highest energetic factors of the day. That’s what these power rankings do, is that they permit you to know, “Oh, my power is excessive at let’s say 11:00 within the afternoon, so right here’s what I’m gonna do. I’m gonna work with that particular person who I do know could be a little bit draining as a result of my power is already excessive.”


One other factor we train individuals do is in the event you do have a kind of interactions and also you’re feeling kinda low, there’s a whole lot of issues on the market that you are able to do to really up your power. A giant one, comedy, laughing seems to be a improbable factor. So my son sends me jokes on a regular basis. He thinks they’re hilarious. To be clear, a few of them are literally fairly humorous and I attempt to learn them each from time to time and if I’m having a low power second or a low power day and I learn a joke that got here from my son, it turns my power round like that, proper? As a result of it’s any individual that I care about who’s sharing one thing that they suppose is humorous and can be, it’s humorous to me as effectively. So you may see how that strikes you from a low power level virtually instantly to a excessive power level.


One other instance, my son is easy-to-use examples from as a result of he’s my teenager who tends to be the least energetic of my kids at any given second. Music. Music, music, music can… I imply, give it some thought. Should you’re driving alongside and your favourite track comes on, you simply begin bopping round and your whole power profile modifications dramatically if you do one thing like that. So for example, my son, when he was residing at dwelling, he’s now in faculty, we gave him… We mentioned, “You’re the morning DJ. So that you get to decide on the music that goes on each morning for the whole home. Can’t flip it on till 7:00 a.m. as a result of we don’t wanna wake all people up too early, however you get to choose it.” Properly, primary, I really acquired my child to get up at age 17, which was fairly spectacular in and of itself. Simply to be clear, for people on the market who’ve a tough time with getting their children up and down, and we’ll in all probability discuss that sooner or later in time, you recognize, it’s not a straightforward factor.


So he would play the Beastie Boys. You must battle to your proper to social gathering each morning at a quantity of 10. And I’ve to let you know one thing, the entire home liked it. We had been bopping round having a superb time dancing up, nevertheless it’s that entire thought of with the ability to change your temper actually virtually immediately with one thing like laughter, one thing like music.


After which the third space that I actually needed to type of take a second on is kindness. Lots of people don’t give it some thought, however if you’re form to any individual, it modifications you. It modifications you essentially and it makes you’re feeling higher not solely in regards to the form act that you just’re doing, however about your self as effectively. And I believe that additionally modifications your energetic element from perhaps being not so good to being considerably higher as a result of as soon as once more, you’re serving to one other human out. So emotional power seems to be a kind of areas that we actually do a whole lot of discovery and we assist individuals establish, hey, who’re these emotional vampires or these emotional vampire conditions in my life and keep away from them and actually stick in some good ways to keep away from that slowly creeping down of the power.


Katie: That’s nice. I really feel like there’s… I’ve by no means met anybody who’s like, “Yeah. I don’t want extra power. I’m wonderful.” It’s like a common factor virtually. And that is smart about emotional vampires. I’d in all probability add to the record that watching the information might be a good way to zap your power since you’re gonna get that fear-like stress response instantly. So I’d love to listen to about that. And likewise, you talked about youngsters being decrease power. I’m additionally a mother of youngsters now, so I’d love any tips about, effectively, A, why are they decrease power, and B, how will we assist them?


Dr. Michael: So let’s discuss youngsters first after which we’ll discuss in regards to the different one subsequent. So with youngsters, right here’s the one factor that everyone on the market can bear in mind. And I do know we’ve acquired a whole lot of mothers who hear, each new mothers and mothers which have been round for a short while. So this can maintain true. However particularly with youngsters, one of many issues that occurs is there’s a shift of their inner circadian clock. So what occurs is, and I don’t know in the event you’ve observed this, Katie, however in each of my youngsters, they like to remain up late and sleep late. I imply, if it was as much as my son, he wouldn’t go to mattress earlier than 2:00. My daughter by no means goes to mattress earlier than 1:00 a.m. They each sleep till about 8:30, 9:00 the subsequent day as a result of they don’t have lessons too early, however that has actually modified them as a result of what finally ends up taking place is that they keep up late, after which in the event that they do must stand up at a standard time, they’re dragging. I imply, dragging it.


So one of many issues that we actually attempt to do is have a look at from a biology standpoint, okay, might or not it’s one thing that’s happening from their circadian rhythm? Subsequent, let’s be trustworthy. Most youngsters aren’t too into vitamin, proper? They’re taken with grab-and-go, soda, sugar, sweet, no matter, proper? And whereas… Don’t get me mistaken, there are many youngsters on the market who have gotten concepts of fine well being and good vitamin in all probability based mostly on issues that their mother and pop or individuals of their lives educated them on, however we see that circadian perform modifications. We see that their weight loss plan doesn’t essentially assist them extra power excessive after which crashes with power drinks and caffeine and issues of that nature which appear to be abused extra throughout that time period.


Additionally, sadly, for some youngsters, in the event that they do become involved with substance abuse, alcohol particularly, that may have a dramatic impact on their sleep as effectively. So there’s so much. After which, after all, there’s their schedule, proper? So plenty of youngsters have doing sports activities. So they could have sports activities earlier than faculty the place they must stand up actually, actually early. Keep in mind, youngsters have to sleep early within the morning, not work out early within the morning. So there’s a ton of the explanation why we see youngsters actually type of laying round and never getting the sleep that they want and that’s actually one thing that we wanna type of focus in on. I can’t bear in mind what the primary a part of the query was.


Katie: Oh, about like the brand new cycle and emotional vampires and…


Dr. Michael: Sure. So I really like your thought. And certainly one of my suggestions for individuals is that they’ve a media weight loss plan 90 minutes earlier than mattress. You don’t want to observe any… You don’t have to know what number of instances of COVID there are in america earlier than you go to mattress. Is it gonna actually change your…? , all it’s gonna do is freak you out, proper? So on the finish of the day, what I inform individuals to do, tape your favourite, funniest present, not severe, not dramatic, not homicide, you recognize, thriller, however a humorous present. And that’s what you watch earlier than mattress. Me personally, I like Seinfeld. I just like the outdated problems with Seinfeld as a result of they’re fairly tame. They’re additionally fairly humorous and also you’re out like a light-weight.


Katie: It’s humorous. I believe my teenage son really has a whole lot of similarities with you. He’s a Seinfeld fan proper now and he prefers the comedy. However I bear in mind from our first episode, you speaking about youngsters and the way they actually do have to sleep later within the day, particularly throughout the faculty system lets them. And we homeschool for lots of causes, however that’s one I actually thought of, particularly as they had been getting older and we have now a rule in our home, such as you by no means wake the sleeping child. You additionally by no means wake the sleeping teenager. And so for them, they don’t begin faculty until 9:00 normally, which is ideal for homeschool, however that was an enormous precedence for me, is like I’ve a lot happier youngsters, I believe, than I’d have if I used to be getting them up at 6:00.


Dr. Michael: 100%. And that’s really one of many greatest benefits of homeschooling. I imply, there’s a whole lot of benefits of homeschooling, however the schedule is definitely certainly one of them. And likewise through the pandemic, you recognize, we had a whole lot of children capable of sleep a little bit bit later as a result of there wasn’t a commute to high school, however I’ve to let you know, having them have the ability to be in class has turned out to be way more essential than I believe many individuals really ever thought. So, you recognize, it’s been an attention-grabbing trip for positive, however yeah, avoid the media in the event you can earlier than mattress.


Katie: And I do know out of your work that motion can be an enormous element right here and also you talked about this, however I’m positive there’s a whole lot of intricacies about kinds of motion, timing of motion. And likewise how I believe usually we predict, “I want motivation after which I’ll do one thing.” However usually it’s the motion that creates the motivation. So I’d love to listen to how motion pertains to power and optimize it.


Dr. Michael: So, initially, motion is arguably one of the crucial essential elements as a result of bear in mind, a physique at relaxation tends to remain at relaxation. A physique in movement tends to remain in movement. And now, the motion schedule that we have now… So right here’s what’s enjoyable. Keep in mind how I advised you that we have now individuals monitor their power at 5 totally different instances all through the day? So what they do, they try this for about seven days after which we flip the script. And so we are saying, you recognize these instances that you just’ve been your power, you recognize, you set the alarm in your telephone for 5 instances through the day, now we wish you to make use of those self same instances to maneuver. And so one of many issues that you just talked about is motivation for motion, proper?


And so right here’s the factor. We base this on one thing known as your physique sort. So in the event you… I do know we’ve talked so much about chronotypes, and people are our genetic… For people who don’t bear in mind, these are our genetic sleep schedules which might be constructed into our DNA and our hormone schedules and issues like that. One of many issues we haven’t talked about but is the physique sort. So in the event you go approach again to highschool and you consider your highschool biology, you may bear in mind that there have been three physique varieties, one was known as an endomorph, one was known as a mesomorph, and one was known as an ectomorph. So it’s a must to type of return into the reminiscence banks a little bit bit to do not forget that one.


But when you consider it, bear in mind, ectomorph is the lengthy and lean individuals, so a little bit bit on the thinner aspect. The mesomorphs have extra of an athletic construct, extra of a V form to their physique. And the endomorphs have extra of a rectangle, a little bit bit on the thicker aspect of their physique. Right here’s what we all know, is in the event you establish your physique sort, which we are able to do fairly simply, we then assign individuals actions that their physique sort likes, proper? And so right here’s the factor. Should you’re an endomorph, a little bit bit on the thicker aspect and I flip to you and say, “Hey, we wish you to go run two miles.” You’re not gonna wanna try this. You hate operating as a result of it’s not enjoyable, and it hurts your joints, and also you’re not prepared for it and issues like that. So we have now different actions. So what we do is we create motion profiles for every particular person based mostly on their physique varieties, which has by no means been finished earlier than, which is type of cool.


So the 5 totally different instances flip into totally different motion varieties. So the very first one that you’ve each morning is named stretch. Makes type of sense, proper? You’ve been mendacity in mattress for some time, you haven’t been transferring so much. Your physique actually must stretch. So all people will get the identical actions, stretch. We’ve got totally different variations of these stretches for people who find themselves extra superior and extra newbie at it. The second motion is named a shake. So that you ever discover how when a canine will get up, what do they do? [vocalization] Proper? They try this loopy factor they usually… That really felt type of energetic once I did it proper there. In order that they try this shaky factor, proper? That really helps you fairly a bit. It helps transfer blood really out to the distal areas, which can be useful to deliver it again and begin to really feel extra energetic. I’ve individuals do that for 5 minutes.


You are able to do a shake your arm, shake your head, shake your butt, shake your legs. However shaking really may help fairly a bit energetically. That one would occur proper earlier than lunch after which proper after lunch, we’d do a bounce, proper? So what’s a bounce? Might be leaping jacks. It might be a mini trampoline in the event you’ve acquired a kind of laying round. It might simply be skipping down the lane. Sure, you heard it right here, The Sleep Physician positively skips down his driveway. Many individuals have made enjoyable of me in my neighborhood today as a result of I’m doing my skipping proper after lunch. However once more, this bounce actually provides you a complete type of power as a result of what’s taking place? Persons are caught on Zoom. They’re sitting there all day lengthy. Keep in mind, guys, sitting is the brand new smoking. We don’t wanna sit. We wish to stand up and we wish to transfer. And so bouncing will be tremendous useful.


The fourth space we name construct, and that is really the place you utilize a significant muscle group. So that you may do pushups. You may do sit-ups. You may do deep knee bends, nevertheless it’s one thing the place you utilize a big muscle group. Now, to be clear, this isn’t train. This isn’t you understanding. You aren’t gonna have a sweat from any certainly one of these 5 motion instances, however that is time to type of work out the kinks, type of get your muscular tissues going, and hold your self from getting too stiff and too stable.


The ultimate motion is definitely known as stability. And we do that earlier than the top of the day. Quite a lot of instances we have now individuals doing issues like a tree pose from yoga or one thing like that. And we like that as a result of on the finish of the day, if you’re attempting to do a tree pose, which is standing on one foot together with your fingers clasped collectively, you just about can’t consider anything and that helps settle your thoughts and make it easier to prepare for mattress. So these are the 5 totally different actions that we ask individuals to do. You solely do them for 3 to 5 minutes apiece, and once more, you set your cellular phone on the similar instances if you had been testing your power, and guess what? You’ll begin to discover that your power begins to extend fairly dramatically in any respect 5 of these landmark instances, proper? Subsequent factor we’re gonna discuss perhaps is intermittent fasting and the way the gasoline to your physique can really form your power as effectively as a result of I’ve a sense you’re gonna be asking me about that one subsequent.


Katie: You learn my thoughts on that. And I’ll say a fast tip, among the finest issues we’ve ever finished for years, we changed our espresso desk in our lounge with a mini rebounder. And so all people would simply bounce consistently. And now we have now an enormous out of doors trampoline and we have now a gymnastics mat down our hallway. So we’re just about all bouncing all through the day, however that’s a straightforward approach, even when it’s wet to only type of incorporate a few of that.


Dr. Michael: I really like that. What a fantastic thought.


Katie: However I do wanna discuss fasting, however first, I’d like to know… There’s all this debate within the health world of exercising within the morning versus exercising at night time or within the night, you additionally talked about youngsters shouldn’t be understanding after they first get up, however what are the professionals and cons of various timing of precise train?


Dr. Michael: So we try this based mostly on chronotypes. So, bear in mind, the actions which might be on this guide aren’t thought of train, however we do discuss every day train. So to be clear, all people on the market must be doing a few half an hour of train each day if they will probably assist it. Train relies upon upon what sort of train and what you wanna do. For example, in the event you’re a cardio particular person and also you wanna do 25 minutes of cardio, then that’s not a nasty thought to do based mostly in your chronotype. So for example, in the event you’re an early morning chronotype like a lion, you’re gonna get up early and run. However in the event you’re a late-night chronotype like me, like a wolf, there’s nothing you wanna do much less within the morning than run, proper? And so discovering these explicit instances is definitely fairly straightforward. We’ve got them within the guide for every one of many chronotypes so individuals can know precisely when to train. Some individuals, once more, based mostly in your chronotype, train within the morning is improbable. Me, personally, there’s simply no approach. The one factor I hate greater than mornings are morning individuals. They’re simply too rattling chipper. So the very last thing I actually wanna do is be lifting weights or going for a run at that exact stage.


Katie: I’m a wolf as effectively and I’ve observed my hormones are typically a lot happier, particularly once I work out within the afternoon, which does lead into the subsequent query, make it tougher to quick and do a fasted exercise in the event you’re not understanding within the afternoon. However I do know simply from my very own studying and out of your work, that meals is an enormous sign of circadian biology and never simply what we eat, however once we eat makes an enormous distinction. And there’s definitely a whole lot of recognition of several types of fasting and time-restricted consuming protocols proper now. So how do these interaction with sleep power, chronotypes? Stroll us by that.


Dr. Michael: Completely. So that is the most important factor that we actually realized, I believe, within the guide. So once we… I’ve been an intermittent quicker for about 5 years and I adore it. I’ve finished time-restricted consuming for fairly some time. And one of many issues I observed early on was that it didn’t work very well for me. I can’t eat breakfast. Let me simply be trustworthy with you. I’m an evening owl, okay? There’s nothing worse for me within the… I like breakfast meals to be clear. I really like eggs, and pancakes, and all that type of great things, however consuming within the morning is simply not for me as an evening owl. And so I’ve at all times shifted my time-restricted consuming based mostly on my chronotype. Then I really discovered some literature behind it that proved that it was really extra useful for you as a result of once more, your whole inner system, your chronotype modifies your entire hormones, so your consuming hormones, your sleeping hormones, the entire above. So in the event you eat inside your chronotypical timeframe when it comes to if you’re intermittent fasting, that may be very useful.


The second factor that we realized needed to do with physique varieties. So bear in mind we had been speaking only a second in the past about endomorph, mesomorph, and ectomorph, it seems that these distinctions assist us learn the way lengthy we should always quick. So comply with me right here, the ectomorph, which is our lengthy and lean particular person, they’re lean. We don’t want them to quick for prolonged intervals of time. In order that they’ll eat for 12 hours and quick for 12 hours. Our mesomorphs who might wanna lose a little bit little bit of weight however are definitely taken with having extra power through the day, what they find yourself doing is that they find yourself fasting for 14 hours and feeding for 10. You discover how their quick is a little bit bit longer, as a result of they’re a little bit bit larger when it comes to metabolism being slower. The endomorphs who’re our greatest group of people that have the slowest metabolism, they’re gonna quick the longest time period, which might be 16 hours, and feed for the shortest time period, which might be 8 hours.


That is simply a place to begin for individuals, however lots of people ask me on a regular basis. They’re like, “Michael, I wanna do that intermittent fasting factor. I don’t know when and I don’t know for the way lengthy.” Now we have now the rules based mostly in your genetics. So it’s not like I do pull them out of the air. Your genetics inform us your chronotype, your genetics inform us your physique sort, let’s use that as type of our secret weapon to have the ability to work out when to intermittent quick. Now, intermittent fasting in and of itself is a superb power booster. Primarily based on one thing known as autophagy. So autophagy is the place our physique really redoes the whole a part of the cell based mostly in your quick. And so, you’re fasting, fasting, fasting, which implies you dissipate the carbs which might be in your abdomen, after which lastly, if you burn by all of these, then your physique begins to burn fats. And if you’re burning fats, primary, you’ve a lot increased power since you really get higher power from burning fats than burning carbohydrates in you as a human. However quantity two, you’re slimming your self down and getting your self nearer to the load that you just’re type of searching for. So there’s a whole lot of advantages to doing intermittent fasting, particularly from an lively standpoint.


Katie: And also you’ve talked about and now defined considerably the totally different physique varieties. I’m curious, can we alter our physique sort, or is that set in stone? And likewise, will we see similarities or like correlations between chronotypes and physique varieties usually or can they be throughout the board?


Dr. Michael: So it’s actually attention-grabbing. So we did a survey, so we’ve had over 1,000,000 individuals take my quiz, the chrono quiz, that we talked about final time. And so what we did was we despatched out to about 5,000 individuals about I believe it was like 1,200 individuals in every class or 1,250 individuals in every class and we requested them about their physique varieties. It was actually attention-grabbing to study what was happening. So your first query was, can you alter your physique sort? It’s actually, actually laborious. It’s genetic, it’s type of in you, and it dictates the pace of your metabolism. There are methods to hurry up your metabolism that has to do with what gasoline you place in your physique, if you put it in your physique, and we go into all of that within the guide, however usually talking, it’s powerful to vary your physique sort. That’s okay although. We are able to work inside that as a result of all it’s telling us is the pace of our metabolism after which we are able to counter that based mostly on the opposite pace. So we are able to’t change our physique varieties though I do know loads of individuals wouldn’t thoughts with the ability to change your physique sort. Don’t fear. You may nonetheless be as thick or as skinny as you wanna be inside that physique sort based mostly in your power stage.


Katie: And I do know we talked about it in-depth within the first interview, so I’ll hyperlink to that one and put the quiz so individuals can take the quiz and discover out themselves, however for anyone who’s not acquainted and perhaps hasn’t heard the primary interview but, give us only a temporary overview of the totally different chronotypes so individuals have type of a passing context for that.


Dr. Michael: Completely. So chronotype is a time period that you just may not have heard, however you’ve positively heard of the idea earlier than. Should you’ve ever been known as an early chook or an evening owl, these are chronotypes. Now, my contribution to the literature is we’ve identified since in regards to the ’70s that there have been three separate chronotypes, early birds, individuals within the center, or night time owls. By the best way, the individuals within the center, we used to name them hummingbirds. I’m unsure why. My contribution was I discovered a fourth chronotype that I name a dolphin. And so I modified the vernacular as a result of I’m not a chook, I’m a mammal and I needed to decide on one that truly match the chronotype.


So lions substitute early birds. I imply, come on, who doesn’t wanna be a lion, proper? King of the jungle, get up earliest within the morning. These are the those who get up between 4:30 and 5:30 within the morning on their very own, by the best way. Loopy. It’s not my gig for positive. These are the COOs of an organization. These individuals normally suppose considerably within the army sense and go from the first step, to step two, to step three, very aware of their pondering. Very health-conscious, normally good sleepers, and individuals who work out regularly.


Subsequent are the bears. They substitute the hummingbirds. And, by the best way, being a bear is the very best. About 50% of the inhabitants is a bear. And these are the those who go to mattress round 10:00, wake round 7:00, and most of life works effectively on their schedule. 9:00 to five:00 schedule works excellent for a bear.


Evening owls, we now name them wolves. You and I are lone wolves. If we ever determine to hang around, you recognize, subsequent time we see one another, you and I’ll in all probability be those which might be up considerably late, hanging out and chit-chatting whereas different individuals might have gone to sleep, however we additionally tend to be artists, and actors, and musician. My most artistic individuals are my wolves. And so we generally tend to see them… By the best way, wolves hate making lists and in the event that they do, they go from step 1, to step 12, to step 47, they haven’t any rhyme or motive. Makes excellent sense to us, nevertheless it is not sensible to anyone else on the market.


The dolphin is the fourth class, and that represents my insomnia sufferers. Heaps and many individuals have gotten a genetic type of insomnia that we assist establish in addition to assist out within the guide, in “The Energy of When” and in “Energize!” What’s cool about that is once we put the 5,000 individuals collectively, we didn’t simply get 4 totally different chronotypes and three totally different physique varieties. We really got here up with what we name an influence profile and consider it or not, there are some those who didn’t actually fall into sure classes. Yeah, there have been physique varieties in all 4 chronotypes, however the quantity was type of attention-grabbing. For example, in the event you’re a lion, proper? That early riser, you’ve a impossible to have a sluggish metabolism. Form of attention-grabbing to see a few of these issues type of come out within the knowledge, nevertheless it’s all within the guide and it’s cool.


Katie: It’s cool and really hopeful. I do know my mother realized so much from that. She’s extra of a dolphin sort, I suppose. And so she at all times felt like she by no means match the “guidelines” of all the opposite varieties. And that gave her a whole lot of context. And that was actually, actually useful, I believe.


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And regardless that I do know our first one was on sleep, I really feel like sleep is an more and more high challenge for just about everybody proper now, particularly the final couple of years, it appears, to make that worse. And I do know, like I mentioned, we went intimately on the primary one, however are you able to additionally simply give us, since you’re the sleep physician, some good sleep hygiene guidelines to start out from?


Dr. Michael: In fact. In fact. So primary, all people must be waking up. Discover I didn’t say going to mattress, waking up at your chronotypical wake-up time. Should you don’t do something apart from purchase my new guide, you need to positively go to and study what your chrono… You want how I slipped within the purchase my new guide? Go to and work out what your chronotype is. Right here’s the excellent news. I ship you info. I train you the very best time of day to drink espresso, alcohol, get up, fall asleep, however that’s my primary rule, is get up on the similar time each day, together with the weekends. Sure, I do know there’s plenty of individuals on the market who’re saying, “Oh, Dr. Breus, that stinks. I don’t wanna get up at 6:30 on the weekends as a result of that’s the time I get up through the week.” Do it anyway.


The extra constant your sleep is, the extra your physique is aware of when to sleep and when to get up. Quite a lot of instances, what occurs to individuals on the weekends is that they go to mattress late and sleep in late, go to mattress late, sleep in late. What do you suppose the physique needs to do on Sunday night time? Go to mattress late and that’s why Monday mornings stink is as a result of individuals consistently wish to sleep in. So primary rule, get up on the similar time, seven days per week based mostly in your chronotype.


Quantity two has to do with caffeine. Tremendous easy. Simply cease caffeine by 2:00 p.m. Most individuals don’t know that caffeine’s acquired a half-life of as much as eight hours relying upon how fast a metabolizer you’re. So in the event you cease at 2:00, eight hours later, at the very least 50, that’s 50% of the caffeine is out of your system. Right here’s a very scary one, Katie. That quarter-life of caffeine when 25% of it’s nonetheless in your system is 12 hours. So if the final cup of espresso that you just drank was at 9:00 within the morning, 25% of that’s on board 9:00 at night time. So do me a favor. Should you can, step quantity two, cease caffeine by 2:00 p.m. at an absolute minimal.


Step quantity three has to do with alcohol. I inform individuals on a regular basis there’s a very huge distinction between going to sleep and passing out, proper? We don’t just like the passing out. We just like the going to sleep. So in that case, we ask individuals to cease consuming, restrict your self to 2 alcoholic drinks, have two glasses of water, and cease your alcohol consumption three hours earlier than mattress. This manner you may have a pleasant glass of wine or spirit or beer with dinner, get pleasure from your self, however not have it have an effect on your sleep.


Step quantity 4 is an enormous one and it has to do with train. So I need individuals exercising each single day, seven days per week in the event you probably can, assuming that your physician has cleared you to take action. However the factor you bought to watch out of is in the event you train too near bedtime, you may really enhance your core physique temperature and make it powerful to go to sleep. So train every day, however step quantity 4 is to cease train 4 hours earlier than mattress.


Step quantity 5 is a superb morning time ritual. I name it my three 15s. So proper if you get up, you’re taking 15 deep-centered breaths. So huge arms, deliver it round like this, deliver it ahead in order that your fingers are clasped in entrance of you, 15 stable, deep breaths. Subsequent stroll outdoors with a glass of 15 ounces of water. Keep in mind, sleep in and of itself is a dehydrative occasion. You will need to drink water within the mornings, not espresso as your first beverage. That may be very, very useful. And quarter-hour within the sunshine. Now, you’re gonna surprise to your self, “Michael, quarter-hour within the sunshine, actually? You’re the sleep physician. That’s what you’re gonna inform me to do?” I’m, and there’s three distinct the explanation why. Primary, quarter-hour of daylight is the precise period of time that your physique wants to supply vitamin D. So you will get your every day dose of vitamin D.


Right here’s one thing for everybody to recollect. Most individuals are poor in vitamin D, 94% of COVID deaths. Let me repeat myself. 94% of COVID deaths are in people who find themselves vitamin D poor. So you must get outdoors and you must get some sunshine. I get it, we’re strolling into winter. It may not be the best factor on the planet to do. It’s higher in the event you’re really bodily outdoors than in the event you stand by a window but when all you are able to do is stand by a window, as a result of it’s so chilly, stand by a window, however get that daylight.


One of many different issues that the daylight does that individuals don’t know is when it hits your eye, it turns off the melatonin faucet in your head. This really helps get you away from mind fog. So quantity two motive to get sunshine within the morning is to get rid of mind fog. The third motive is one that just about no one is aware of about however is tremendous essential. When your mind turns off your melatonin faucet by getting that sunshine, it really units a timer to reset or reinstitute melatonin manufacturing roughly 14 hours later. So right here’s the difficulty. Should you get up at 6:00 one morning, 8:00 one morning, and 10:00 the subsequent morning, your timer will get set at totally different instances. So the consistency of your wake-up time and the consistency of your sunshine will work completely in your favor for higher sleep.


Katie: Can you utilize the daylight half to hack the wake-up time or is it actually that essential to get up at this… Like, I’m pondering for individuals who wanna sleep in on the weekends, if we acquired morning daylight on the similar time however perhaps slept a little bit later sure days, does that assist or is it actually that essential to stand up on the similar time each day?


Dr. Michael: If I might choose one factor, it will be stand up at the very same time. I’d say you can provide your self 15 to twenty minutes distinction. So if usually you get up at 5:00 and also you don’t wanna get up at 5:00 on the weekends and also you wanna stand up at 5:30, I don’t suppose I care, however you actually don’t wanna go a lot previous that as a result of your inner clock will certainly know. And, by the best way, since it’s winter time and, you recognize, we would have listeners who’re up north or in different international locations the place there’s plenty of, you recognize, darkness that’s happening, you may really purchase a lightbox. So I take advantage of a lightbox each time I journey. And I used it in mornings right here if the solar hasn’t come out but. You may get one on Amazon for like 100 bucks. It’s known as a GoLite, G-O-L-I-T-E. I’ve no affiliation with them, nevertheless it’s fairly cool.


Katie: And I do know it varies based mostly on chronotype, however I’ve additionally heard recommendation that if we are able to stand up proper round dawn each day, that’s presupposed to be very helpful. Is that true for all chronotypes?


Dr. Michael: Each chronotype, it’s really fairly true for as a result of what occurs is, is when the sunshine hits the rods and cones in your eye for the primary time, it begins to prime them. After which because the solar absolutely comes up, that rods and cones absolutely come on-line to it. Consider it or not, among the finest issues that you are able to do each morning is watch the dawn.


Katie: And that’s free. Even when it’s not essentially probably the most enjoyable for these of us who aren’t naturally the morning sort those who I do know.


Dr. Michael: Precisely.


Katie: And I do know you talked about like meals timing being essential and fasting, and particularly within the morning, and likewise to keep away from consuming proper earlier than mattress. What do you suppose is the golden window of how lengthy to depart earlier than sleep and likewise, are there sure meals which might be higher or worse at night time?


Dr. Michael: So I generally tend to love to cease consuming inside two to 3 hours of mattress. It takes about 90 minutes to your abdomen to clear no matter’s left in there and begin working its approach by your digestive system. So in the event you can, I’d keep away from consuming something inside about an hour to an hour and a half earlier than mattress. However you don’t wanna go to mattress hungry both. So if let’s say you had a light-weight dinner and also you’re nonetheless, you recognize, your abdomen is a little bit type of itching at you, what do you do? So that is gonna sound cuckoo, nevertheless it actually works, is in the event you’re not fasting throughout this time, proper? As a result of lots of people, in the event you’re a lion, you’d be fasting throughout this time. Should you’re a wolf, you wouldn’t be, you need a few 250-calorie snack. You need it to be about 70% carbohydrates and about 30%, both protein or fats. So that you may be saying your self, “Maintain on a second, Michael. Carbohydrates earlier than mattress, what are you pondering?”


So right here’s what occurs. While you eat carbohydrates, it spikes one thing known as serotonin in your head which calms down the cortisol which has been operating round. That’s that battle or flight hormone that’s been making you do all of the various things that you just’re operating round doing proper earlier than mattress. In order that’s why we name them consolation meals as a result of they make us really really feel snug by producing serotonin. In order that 70% carbs will be useful. So what’s an instance of that? Like some rice muffins with some nut butter on it, proper? Or some avocado, or an apple with some nut butter, one thing that’s acquired an honest quantity of carbs. Once more, you wanna hold your snack to about 250 energy in the event you can. Different issues are, you possibly can do a protein shake the place you may precisely measure your carbs and issues like that. As soon as once more, simply to provide your physique what it’s searching for simply earlier than mattress.


Different issues or meals which might be very optimistic for sleep, any of the omegas. So if we’re speaking dinner, fish is a superb one to assist with sleep. Additionally something with any of the B nutritional vitamins in it. So leafy greens, kale, magnesium that we discover in kale is tremendous good for sleep. However to be actually trustworthy with you, Katie, you’d must eat like a bushel of kale to get sufficient magnesium. So individuals do want to consider alternative ways to complement their magnesium. I personally use a recipe known as banana tea. So most individuals don’t realize it, however bananas are loaded with magnesium. And we discuss this a superb bit within the guide, of various meals that you would be able to have. However consider it or not, the peel has thrice the quantity of magnesium because the fruit itself.


So no, I’m not gonna ask you to eat the peel. What I’m gonna do is say wash off the skin of a banana, lower off the tip within the stem, lower it in half. Up to now, all you’ve finished is wash a banana, okay? You’ve acquired these two halves with fruit in them. Drop them into three cups of boiling water. Up to now I’m solely asking you to scrub off a banana and boil it simply to be clear. After about 5 minutes, the banana will flip brown and also you drink the water. It’s loaded with magnesium. As my daughter likes to say, “Dad, it’s very banana-y.” So you actually have to love the banana taste to get pleasure from it. However what’s nice about it’s it doesn’t work together with any remedy. It’s nice for seniors. It’s nice for youths. I’ve one mother and she or he makes it initially of the week and pours it into popsicle molds and she or he provides it to her children at night time for dessert they usually’re out like a light-weight.


Katie: That’s a fantastic tip. And possibly mixing a little bit like uncooked honey and even a teeny little bit of salt in there might additionally assist with this.


Dr. Michael: Completely. Properly, and uncooked honey, particularly, is certainly one of my favorites as a result of it’s troublesome to your system to digest uncooked honey and it’ll hold your blood sugar secure longer. Not good for diabetics although. Should you’re a diabetic, this recipe is dangerous for you due to the excessive glycemic index. In that case, I’d argue that you just wanna strive guava leaf tea. Not guava fruit and never guava juice, however guava leaf tea. There’s some knowledge to counsel that it’ll assist hold your blood sugar secure.


Katie: That’s nice to know. And it is smart if you clarify the carbohydrate factor, why when individuals are confused, they have a tendency to crave, like, carby meals like chips, or chocolate, or issues that might be a superb supply of that for the serotonin. It additionally makes me curious, these are nice pure sleep aids. And I’m gonna positively strive these suggestions, however what are your ideas on sleep dietary supplements typically? Particularly, I’ve seen so many with melatonin now even for youths and I’m simply interested in that as a result of I’m very hesitant with that, particularly with children.


Dr. Michael: Good. Ninety-nine % of all kids have loads of melatonin on board. Melatonin in Europe is used as a contraceptive. Let me say that yet another time. Melatonin in Europe is used as contraception. Okay? So we all know it has an impact on younger girls. I can’t consider something worse for a younger feminine growing menstrual cycle to then have melatonin instituted when it’s not needed. So I personally by no means ask mothers or dads to make use of melatonin of their kids. Anyone beneath age 18, there’s one caveat, and that’s children on the autism spectrum. There’s a vital quantity of knowledge to point out at massive dosages, which is three to 5 milligrams, that that may be useful for these kids. We don’t know 100% why, however we do know it may be useful. Should you discover what I mentioned about massive dosages being three to 5 milligrams, that’s type of attention-grabbing as a result of 95% of melatonin is now bought in an overdosage format.


The suitable dose is between a half and one and a half milligrams for adults based mostly on the info out of MIT which I consider. And so individuals are taking approach an excessive amount of melatonin. , you requested me about sleep dietary supplements, melatonin, particularly. I’ve a unique principle than many different docs on the market do.


Step primary, blood work. Okay? I wanna know what your physique is doing proper now earlier than I begin sticking different issues inside it. So I have a look at vitamin D, I have a look at iron, I have a look at melatonin, and I have a look at magnesium. These 4 issues all have an effect on sleep dramatically. Go to my web site, you’ll see blogs on all of them so that you’ll perceive it. Do this first. Then if any of these are poor, repair that first, proper? Then see what goes on. So as soon as your physique’s acquired sufficient magnesium, sufficient vitamin D, iron, and melatonin in it, perhaps that was the most important downside.


And also you don’t must be taking one thing for the remainder of your life. You simply have to eat meals which might be excessive in these areas and complement your vitamin accordingly. That’s definitely one space that I’ve with individuals, however let’s say you probably did the blood work. Every thing seems to be good, your magnesium is ok. Your melatonin seems to be good. All of these issues are good. What do I like to recommend at that time? You really want to suppose by what your sleep-related challenge is. So for example, when you’ve got a tough time falling asleep, one thing like valerian and hops makes a whole lot of sense as a result of we all know that knowledge, when these two are mixed collectively, that may assist with falling asleep. Nonetheless, in case your downside is staying asleep, that’s when melatonin might really be very worthwhile.


So with out saying an excessive amount of, I’ve my very own line of dietary supplements. It’s known as Sleep Physician PM. And we have now two variations, one that can assist you go to sleep and one that can assist you keep asleep. So it’s very attention-grabbing. We even have one that you would be able to take in the midst of the night time with none next-day grogginess. So I’ve created a method that mimics lots of the prescribed drugs when it comes to hitting those self same receptor websites however with 100% pure elements. And that’s actually what we wish. Final, final, final resort is to place any individual on a sleeping capsule. However simply to be very clear with you and your entire listeners on the market, for anyone on the market that’s at present taking a sleep help, there’s nothing mistaken with taking a sleeping capsule. That may be a dialogue between you and your physician, okay? That isn’t one thing that you just’re gonna have over a podcast. And you need to discuss together with your physician, in the event you turn out to be uncomfortable being on a sleep help, by no means, by no means, by no means chilly turkey your self off of it. It’s a very dangerous thought. Speak together with your physician and see if you should use a taper schedule to return off of it. However once more, I generally tend to make use of pharmacy as a final resort or to interrupt the cycle of insomnia then get individuals off drug by three to 4 months.


Katie: And also you talked about magnesium in relation to the banana tea. And magnesium’s one thing I’ve been speaking about for a very long time since I found out how useful it was for me and simply studying the analysis about what number of alternative ways our physique makes use of and wishes magnesium…


Dr. Michael: 300 methods or one thing loopy like that. Yeah.


Katie: And the way most of us actually don’t get wherever near sufficient. So is that this one that you just suppose will be useful for individuals to particularly complement with and any recommendation round that?


Dr. Michael: Completely. So me, personally, I take magnesium each day. I do drink banana tea. I don’t drink it each night time, nevertheless it positively is useful relying upon once more, your magnesium ranges and type of what’s happening with you. Personally, I take one thing known as MagSRT. It’s by an organization known as Jigsaw Well being. I really like them. I do know that their stuff is tremendous clear. That’s the complement that I’ve been utilizing for magnesium that I like to recommend to all people on the market.


Katie: And I do know we touched on this a teeny bit within the first interview, however I’d guess there’s a whole lot of {couples} on the market who’ve companions with mismatched sleep varieties. Any recommendation for navigating that and/or for folks who’ve a bunch of youngsters in my case with all types of various sleep varieties?


Dr. Michael: Sure. So don’t worry. You may nonetheless keep together with your companion even when they’ve a unique chronotype than you. We discuss that so much within the guide, simply alternative ways from a relationship standpoint. However one of many issues that I oftentimes inform individuals is, look, have all people in your home take the chrono quiz in order that you recognize what all people’s chronotype is, then you definitely even have the key key since you’ll know in case your daughter… Let’s say you’ve acquired a teenage daughter. Properly, I’ll provide you with an instance of my teenage daughter. I’ve been attempting to foster my relationship with my teenage daughter for years and one of many issues I realized is that if I went in within the morning and I mentioned, “Hey, Carsen, you recognize, what have you ever acquired deliberate for as we speak within the morning time?” Right here’s what I’d get, “Ugh. Go away me alone.” Proper? But when I walked in when her power stage was increased based mostly on her chronotype within the afternoon as a result of she’s a Wolf chronotype, guess what? I’m in there for an hour and a half asking the identical query.


I can’t consider something extra essential than the connection between me and my daughter. And so, for me, the chronotypes have turn out to be a communication software. And so study the chronotypes of your companion and all of the members of your speedy household and you’ll begin to additionally know, when are they gonna be in a superb temper? When are they gonna have power? When are they gonna be in not such a superb temper? When are they gonna, you recognize, have to eat? All of those various things, turn out to be actually essential for you, particularly in the event you’re the one that’s type of operating the family and coping with the entire children and that type of stuff, it may be very, very helpful.


The opposite huge factor to recollect is all people doesn’t must go to mattress on the similar time, particularly if you’re speaking a few couple. So a whole lot of {couples} suppose, “Properly, if we don’t go to mattress collectively, then which means one thing about our intimacy or one thing about our relationship, even sleeping in the identical room.” Let me be clear. Your sleep is just not part of your relationship. Should you sleep in a unique room each night time since you sleep higher, that doesn’t make your relationship dangerous. That doesn’t imply that you’ve much less love or intimacy in that relationship. It simply means you wanna get a superb night time’s sleep in an effort to have the ability to be intimate with that particular person, in an effort to care about what they’re saying and issues of that nature. So there’s plenty of totally different choices. I’ve acquired some {couples} the place she’s an early chook and he’s an evening owl and what he’ll do is learn a guide whereas she falls asleep after which stroll into the opposite room after she’s fallen asleep. Every kind of various choices that you are able to do based mostly in your chronotype.


Katie: I adore it. And as we get near the top of our time, one other query considerably unrelated that I like to ask is that if there’s a guide or quite a lot of books which have had a profound impression in your life and if that’s the case, what they’re and why.


Dr. Michael: Completely. So I hold a few them shut by. One in every of my favourite books, I even have it proper right here is by Eckhart Tolle and it’s known as “The Energy of Now.” It’s an incredible, superb guide to show individuals keep optimistic within the current tense. That’s one of many ones that I’m actually… I’ve been enjoying round so much with recently. After which what’s one other…? What’s the opposite one which I’m studying recently? Oh, I began studying this one really. I met this gentleman… It’s known as “Spaceman.” And I met an astronaut who had written a biography. I’m an enormous biography fan. And so I really like studying about how profitable individuals grew to become profitable. My favourite biography actually is Andre Agassi of all individuals. If anyone will get an opportunity to learn the guide “Open,” it’s superb. Among the finest biographies I’ve ever learn. However I’m type of a biography junkie. I like studying about different individuals’s lives and seeing what they did.


Katie: Superior. I’ll hyperlink to all these within the present notes at so that you guys can examine them out. And lastly, the place can individuals continue learning from you and any parting recommendation for the listeners on any of those matters?


Dr. Michael: Completely. So in the event you wanna purchase the guide, go to or Amazon or wherever books are bought, it must be nearly in every single place tomorrow. So we’re tremendous enthusiastic about that. Should you wanna study extra about me, I’m on each type of social media you possibly can probably think about. My deal with is The Sleep Physician. And physician is all spelled out. So Twitter, and Fb, and Instagram, and consider it or not, TikTok as effectively. I’ve turn out to be TikTok well-known. I’ve a video now that’s acquired on 1.5 million views for what do you do in the event you get up in the midst of the night time? So tons and many locations to search out me and, after all, my web site is


Katie: Properly, you’re forward of me on the TikTok pattern. I haven’t figured it out but, however I’ll positively comply with you. However to reiterate your personal recommendation, let’s not watch you on TikTok within the couple of minutes earlier than mattress.


Dr. Michael: Precisely.


Katie: An excessive amount of stimulation, though I’m positive there’s additionally some good like humor and enjoyable info that may assist with the power factor. So perhaps we’ll begin with TikTok and Michael Breus very first thing within the morning.


Dr. Michael: There you go. I adore it.


Katie: Dr. Breus, you’re such a pleasure to speak to. Thanks a lot for being right here for spherical two. I’m excited to your new guide and I’ll be sure that it’s linked within the present notes as effectively, however thanks for educating us as we speak.


Dr. Michael: Thanks. , I get pleasure from your organization a lot, Katie. I’m glad that we’re personally reconnected and have a chance to share with one another since you’ve acquired such a fantastic crowd of individuals and also you do such an incredible job with them. I’ve a lot respect for all of the stuff that you just guys are doing. So thanks for having me on. I’m excited to be a part of the “Wellness Mama” journey. And if individuals wanna study extra, try the guide.


Katie: Thanks a lot. I really feel the identical approach about you, a lot gratitude. And, after all, gratitude and a lot because of all of you for listening, for sharing your most dear assets, your time, your power, and your consideration with each of us as we speak. We’re so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.


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